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Macharanish Baptisms

PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:00 am
by EricR
THOMAS LORNE LONGSTREETH b 1874, Macharanish[b][/b]. I am attempting to fill in lots of gaps about Thomas who was born in Scotland to father Thomas who was a clerk of the works in London but clearly moved about a great deal. Maybe[b][/b]he was involved in building hotel/golf course-related buildings. Either Thomas sen. or Thomas jun. is credited with the building of a small Catholic church in west Norfolk in 1903/04. I wonder whether the baby Longstreeth was baptised in Macharanish and, if so, there are any useful details in the Baptism Register. If anyone has access, the time and inclination to look it would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Re: Macharanish Baptisms

PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:01 am
by Shona
Hello, Eric.

Ancestry have a listing for the birth of Thomas Lorne Longstreeth on 18 March 1874, Southend parish (Machrinhanish births would have been recorded as being in Southend). Father was Thomas Augustine Adolphus Longstreeth and mother was Martha Victoria Walker.

The Scotland's People website have a record for the birth. You need to buy some credits to look at he image. If you aren't familiar with Scottish birth records, they contain far more information than English ones. Both the father and the mother's name will be recorded, as well as their address and father's occupation. From 1855 until 1861, the date and place of the parents' marriage would have been noted as well. I'm not sure the baptismal records would show any additional information - apart from the date of the baptism that it! You would need to know where the baby was baptised, though. He may not have been baptised in Machrihanish or Southend parish. He may well have been baptised in Campbeltown or elsewhere, if his parents were English.

Re: Macharanish Baptisms

PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 11:14 am
by Shona
How much do you know about TLL, Eric? I have uncovered a fair amount.

When TLL married in London in 1898, his occupation was recorded as carpenter. Therefore, it would seem more likely that it was his father who built (or was the architect of) the church in Norfolk.

Let me know what you have and I can fill in the gaps.

Re: Macharanish Baptisms

PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:52 pm
by EricR
How very prompt and helpful of you to respond so quickly. I keep veering from considering both Thomases - senior and junior - as contenders for the title of 'builder'. The architect for the 1903/04 church was London-based and the older Longstreeth would have been a more 'established' figure - not that the Catholic church was 'establishment'. He evidently moved about with family quite a bit. As well as Macharanish, a son was born in 1876 in Devon and in 1877 another in Kerry, Ireland (he died in infancy). Thos junior is traced via 'plumber's mate' to 'carpenter' at the time of his marriage; he was 'joiner' when lodging in/near Cromer. Thos Longstreeth is shown on electoral rolls early in the century as owning property in Overstrand which is adjacent to Cromer and a very fashionable place at the time. The first priest's brother - coincidentally or not - had a home there (they were a 'well-connected' family). In 1907, Thomas junior is shown as 'builder' on the passenger manifest of a ship bound for U.S.A. (without family). In 1910 he is the subject of a 'Missing Friends' item in the Australian press. In 1916 he enlisted in the Australian Army and his next of kin is shown as his wife - but not the one he married in England! He actually ends up in U.K. on a troopship with the 1st Pioneer Bttn. He did not go to France but is eventually medically discharged with the rather unusual combination of 'dementia and rheumatism'! These complaints did not prevent him from surviving another 30 years and evidently working as a carpenter for the railways. His father married again back in England.

The church that one of them built was extended in the 1950s and, at this moment, is undergoing alterations. I for one am interested in finding as much as possible about its history and the assistance of strangers is much appreciated.

Re: Macharanish Baptisms

PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:20 pm
by Shona
You've got a good lot of info there, Eric. I had also noticed that he married Clara Francis Crowther, Yet his military records reveal his wife to be a Maud Ethel Longstreeth (who is recorded as a passenger from Plymouth to Sydney in August 1918. She was 38 and described as a housewife. Clara seems to have been alive and well, though, and died in Lincoln in March 1973, aged 96. Although saying she has been married for 12 years at the time of the 1911 census, she lists herself as the head of the household. Thomas is not there. In this context, it is interesting to read the 1910 missing person request published in Australia.

When the 1901 census was taken, Thomas was boarding in Cromer. He stated that he was married.

I found this report in The Tablet from 6 August 1904. I think this report suggests it is the younger Thomas Longstreeth who built the church, as someone else was the architect.

HUNSTANTON : OPENING OF A NEW CHURCH.—" The religious . devotion of Roman Catholics," says The News and County Press, "as all denominations will agree, is one of the brightest features of an age of indifference and secularism. It would almost seem that Christianity in England is steadily resolving itself into two fundamentally differing parties : Evangelicals of all order, and Catholics of all orders. The terms are, of course, used in their broadest sense. There are many people who would welcome a clear dividing line of denominationalism such as is suggested by the idea just expressed, thinking that that way lie efficiency, competitive energy and zealous enthusiasm for the essential cause. In singleness of aim and steadiness of purpose the Roman Catholics set an example to some denominations who are too apt to fritter away their strength in internecine strife ; and it is these Catholic attributes which have resulted in the establishment of the fabric on the Sandringham-road, Hunstanton, that is henceforth to meet the spiritual needs of the good Catholics, residents and visitors, of Hunstanton and neighbourhood." On Thursday in last week, this new church was solemnly opened. Services had been hitherto held in the chapel at St. Edmund's House, the home of the Dominican Nuns who have settled at Hunstanton. But the establishment of a church had naturally been ever foremost in Father Gamett's mind, and his efforts speedily resulted in the gift of a suitable site from the Lord of the Manor, Ald. Hamon le Strange. The building erected thereon is of a temporary character and will afterwards form the sacristy of the projected church. The building is a free adaptation of the Perpendicular style of architecture. It is constructed of the local Carr stone very boldly treated, large pieces being used. The eaves project considerably beyond the walls of the building and add greatly to the appearance. The tracery of the windows is in Kettonstone, executed by Messrs. Daymond and Sons, of London. The altar, of fumed oak is filled with sculptured panels. The church, which seats about 120 people, has been erected in the short space of two months. The architect is Mr. G. B. Carvill, of Trafalgar Buildings, Northumberland Avenue, S.W., and the builder, Mr. T. Longstreeth, of Overstand.

At the opening Solemn High Mass, coram episeopo, was celebrated. The Right Rev. Mgr. Scott, D.D., V.G. (Cambridge), was the cele brant, assisted by the Revv. D. Cary Elwes and W. II. Read ; the Very Rev. Canon Dwane (Lynford) and the Rev. Father G. Page (Wisbech), assistants at the Bishop's throne. The Rev. A. O'Sullivan (Wolverton) was the master of ceremonies, the Rev. Father H. W. Gray (Northampton), thurifer, and the Rev. Father E. Phillips (Hanley) and the Rev. Father Donlevey (London) the acolytes. The Gregorian Plain Chant was sung.

The preacher was the Rev. Father J. Freeland (Ely). Taking as his text : "And the Lord will create upon every dwelling-place of Mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night ; for upon all the glory shall be a defence" (Isaiah iv. 5), the preacher dealt with the fundamental principles of Catholicism.

After Mass the Bishop of Northampton confirmed two little girls named Harriett Bole and Mary Cole, and the Hon. Otway Plunket (son of Lord Louth).

Luncheon was afterwards served at the Golden Lion Hotel. The Lord Bishop presided, and was supported by a large company, including the Right Rev. Mgr. Scott, V. G., D.D. (Cambridge) ; the Very Rev. Canon Dwane (Lynford), the Rev. Mgr. Nolan (Cambridge), the Revv. Fathers Garnett (Ilunstanton), Drake (Slough), J. Freeland (Ely), B. Eeles (Lynn), Prince (Oxborough), Cary-Elwes (Peterborough), Page (Wisbech), Ketterer (St. Ives), Gray (Sheffield), O'Sullivan (Wolverton, Bucks), Read (Cambridge), A. S. Barnes (University Chaplain, Cambridge), Phillipe (Hanley), Donlevey (Mile Fnd-road Mission), Flynn (Stowmarket), Meinrad Fulton, O.S.B. (Beccles), Weld-Blundell, O.S.B. (Beccles), Butler, O.S.B. (Cambridge), Dom Cyril, 0.S.B., and Stephen Mulligan, C.R.L. (Spalding), Mrs. Ingleby and Miss Ingleby, Mr. C. F. Garnett (Overstrand), Mrs. Leeming, Miss Mason, Miss Murphy, Mr. Arthur ??ard and Mr. ??ard, jun., Mrs. and Miss Wilkin (Lynn), Mr. and Mrs. Carvill (architect), Mrs. Smith (Cambridge), Mrs. and Miss Miles, Miss Beckenham (Cambridge), Miss Moore and Miss E. Moore, Mr. Apthorpe (Cambridge), Mr. and Mrs. H. C. Barber, Mr. O'Hea, Miss Donlevey, Mrs. Floyd, Mr. and Mrs. Beresford, Mrs. Sandys (Cambridge), and the Bon. Otway Plunkett.

The Bishop submitted the toast, " His Holiness the Pope and his Majesty the King." It was just about that time last year, he said, that his Holiness was raised to the throne, and it was also at that time that they were keeping the first anniversary of the coronation of his Majesty, so that the two events were closely associated. Certainly loyalty to the Pope and loyalty to the King were mixed up, for there was the injunction to look up to those whom God had raised up to be in authority. The toast was loyally received. Canon Dwane proposed the health of the Bishop. His lordship had been reminding them of anniversaries, and he thought they would soon have to keep up the anniversary of his lordship's rule over the diocese. (Hear, hear.) It had extended over a period of nearly 25 years, and he trusted they would celebrate the silver jubilee. Ile conveyed to his lordship the wish of all present that his health would be as good next year as during the present one. (Applause.) The toast having been well received,

The Bishop said he thanked all sincerely for their good wishes. What Canon Dwane had said reminded him of former years. When Father Trappes' jubilee was coming on he (the Bishop) was the first curate and Father Anderson the second. The speaker said to Father Trappes "You must allow us to keep your jubilee." And they did• celebrate it and they had to pay all expenses. (Laughter.) They also gave Father Trappes a very large present. (Renewed laughter.) So he himself might look forward to June 9th next year. (Loud laughter and applause.)

Mgr. Scott said all trusted this mission at Hunstanton would be a success. (Hear, hear.) Father Garnett was a most devout and hard worker, and he had made great efforts to extend the work. (Applause.) He submitted "Success to the Mission at Hunstanton," coupled with the names of Father Garnett, Ald. le Strange, and their benefactors.

Father Garnett, in reply, said that when he arrived in Hunstanton last November things did not look very promising. In January he went to Rome with the Bishop, and he asked the Pope's special approval and blessing on the work. His holiness appeared to take a very great interest in what he was told about the requirements of the mission at Hunstanton, approved of the object, and blessed all the benefactors of the work. When he (the speaker) returned he felt there was little to fear, for anything that was blessed by a successor of St. Peter, the first Bishop of their Church, was sure to be a success. (Hear, hear.) A good many Catholics came down to Hunstanton last year, and had to go away as there was no church, and this was not only bad for them but also for the town. Consequently he thought he had better start begging, but as he had such a small congregation it was rather difficult to know what to say except that the Holy Father had blessed the undertaking. (Laughter.) The people took it well, however, and the present erection was the result. (Hear, hear.) That was not the church for ever, but it was, he hoped, the beginning of a scheme only. (Applause.) He expressed his gratitude to all the benefactors, and trusted that he would receive still more help, for when the present building was entirely paid for there was still the house to be yet built for the priest, and, when the present building was found to be too small, a proper church would have to be erected. He acknowledged the way in which he had been received by all Catholics and nonCatholics since he had been at Hunstanton, and he would always welcome them to the church at any time they felt disposed to visit it.

Father Read extended a welcome to the visitors, and

Mr. A. R. ??ard (Wisbech), in response, said that after the way in which they had been treated that (Iv they were almost tempted to become residents instead of visitors. Hunstanton had every qualification as a bodily health resort, and now there was a spiritual health resort as well. (Hear, bear.) They all trusted that great success would attend the effort and that many would be brought into the fold. (Applause.)

Father Garnett proposed the health of the architect, and Mr. Carvill briefly replied.

In the evening Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament was given at the new church. The Rev. Father Freeland was again the preacher and dwelt upon the history of the Church in England.

Re: Macharanish Baptisms

PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:26 pm
by Shona
By the way, I am intrigued that Thomas Longstreeth junior had Lorne as a middle name. It may be that this comes from the Lorne Street Church in Campbeltown on Big Kiln Street. The church was built in 1868 to bring together the parishioners of the former Gaelic Free Church and English Free Church. Mr Boucher of Glasgow was the architect. The church closed in 1990 and the building was taken over by the Heritage Centre.

Therefore, I wonder if Thomas Lorne Longstreeth was baptised in the Lorne Street Church.

Re: Macharanish Baptisms

PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:34 pm
by Iain

Re: Macharanish Baptisms

PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:32 am
by EricR
Thank you so much for your research efforts on my behalf. Yes, Carvill the architect - although from London - had a home for a while in Overstrand and was responsible for a number of buildings (in the 'Arts and Crafts' style) including overseeing work on the Royal Cromer Golf Club. I did wonder whether this golf link and a possible friendship with Longstreeth had any connection with golf in Macharanish..... Perhaps[b][/b]as a former clerk of the works/architect, Longstreeth supervised the building work but was credited as 'builder'. Perhaps[b][/b]he lodged in Overstrand at the time of the 1901 census until his own house was built. Perhaps[b][/b]he knew Father Garnett's brother who put a good word in for him as a builder. Perhaps[b][/b]Longstreeth junior lodged near his father but didn't want to stay with him......

I hadn't picked up on Thomas Lorne's wife going out to Australia and didn't appreciate the possible significance of the Lorne surname. Thanks for that. As Tesco's say: "Every little helps".

By the way, as an English 'foreigner' who had problems reading the writing on a census record, are Macharanish and Mach(er?)ioch, Southend (on birth register from 'Scotland's People' - thank you) the same place?

Re: Macharanish Baptisms

PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:12 am
by Shona
No, Macharioch is a different place. Macharioch Farm is near the Muneroy store in Southend village. There is also the Big Hoose. There are some pics of the house here on a separate thread on the Kintyre Forum.


Re: Macharanish Baptisms

PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:17 am
by Shona
The Ralston Genealogy website has an article on Macharioch House transcribed from the Kintyre Magazine.

That same website has a section on the placenames in Southend Parish, which may be useful for you, Eric, if you are researching the Longstreeth family in the parish.