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Re: Family Tree

Postby Iain » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:33 am

Shona wrote:1841
Wide Close, Campbeltown
Archibald Black, 45, labourer, b Ireland

Lochend Street, Campbeltown
James Black, 35, ag lab, b Ireland


Hi Shona !

I’m a bit confused by the above: Are you suggesting that they are both brothers ?

Archibald Black “45”... 1791-1877 Wide Close.
James Black 35... b1806 Lochend Street.

To the best of my knowledge, Archibald’s father John 1750-1837 had only two sons..., Archibald and Duncan 1790-1840.

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Re: Family Tree

Postby Shona » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:35 pm

Archibald and James brothers? There's a thought. It's possible, I suppose, in that they are both Irish and moved to the toon. A death cert would confirm either way - if James died post statutory registration and assuming the informant knew the names of James's parents.

Btw: Angus Martin's book Kintyre The Hidden Past isn't available as an e-book, as far as I know.
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Re: Family Tree

Postby Iain » Fri Aug 02, 2013 1:28 pm

Thanks Shona..., personally, I've never seen such an entry / but I'll check it out !

Joe..., here's some added info !

I suppose I should ask if you are on Ancestry..., if so, it would save me a lot of time ! Also..., I'm afraid I don’t have the time to read all of Shona’s info so I may be repeating what she has already provided. Sorry !

Margaret Morrison Black born 3 March 1889-24 August 1982 was my 1st cousin 2x removed.
http://www.myainfolk.ca/records/show/5286
And the “Blues” enter the Black family for the first time thanks to her husband...
Alexander Blue
Birth 20 Apr 1886 in Dar Cochan, Campbeltown, Argyllshire, Scotland
Death 3 Apr 1923 in Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Marriage 29 December 1911
One son as far as I know...
Duncan McInnes Blue
Birth 16 November 1921 in Chiskan, Campbeltown, Argyll
Death June 1995 in Washington, Durham, England
Alexander Blue’s parents...
Alexander and Hannah Blackstock

Margaret’s parents:
Archibald Black (my 2xg uncle)
Birth 10 Aug 1855 in Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Death 14 Jul 1891 in Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Catherine Wilkinson McLean
Birth 25 December 1855 in Campbeltown, Argyllshire
Death 12 Sep 1903 in Poorhouse, Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Marriage 18 February 1879.
Children:
Daniel Black 1879 – 1891
Catherine (Katie) McLachlan Black 1882 – 1910
Archibald Black 1885 – 1885
Malcolm McLean Black 1886 – 1886
Maggie M Black 1888 –
Margaret Morrison Black 1889 – 1982

Margaret’s grandparents:
See my Daniel (Dane) Black above.
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Re: Family Tree

Postby Iain » Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:22 pm

Hi Shona..., do you think that this could be the skiff that Angus Martin is referring to in Kintyre's Hidden Past ? He say's that there are referrences to it..., could this be it ?

Maggie : Ref: BoTWR/MB
A smack of 16 tons ; built 1847; owned by R. Nicholson of Kilkeel; not registered; 1 Sep 1883 in ESE f9 gale, drove from her mooring in Carlingford Lough, Ireland & wrecked; no crew on board.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... /Ships.htm

But 16 tons seems too heavy for what looks to be a rowing boat with a sail !

Lol ! Didn’t know that the Irish spell Loch; Lough !
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Re: Family Tree

Postby JOEMAC » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:58 am

Hi Ian & Shona,
Thank`s for the info on the Blue family. Sorry about the delay in answering but have been in hospital these past four days with a wee heart problem. All fixed for now.
I will check out the info you posted but it looks like some of my family.
Cheers for now,
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Re: Family Tree

Postby Iain » Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:13 am

JOEMAC wrote:Hi Ian & Shona,
Thank`s for the info on the Blue family. Sorry about the delay in answering but have been in hospital these past four days with a wee heart problem. All fixed for now.
I will check out the info you posted but it looks like some of my family.
Cheers for now,
Joe.


Wow ! Hope things are on the mend ! Good luck..., Iain.
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Re: Family Tree

Postby JOEMAC » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:40 am

Thank`s Ian, i have had two heart attacks and had three stents inserted but something went wrong on Saturday so they had to get me in and sort it out. It is ok for now.
When I replied to your previous posting I forgot to say that I am not on Ancestry.
Thank`s again for your interest in my family research and thank`s for your good wishes.
Cheers,
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Re: Family Tree

Postby JOEMAC » Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:07 am

Hi again Ian & Shona,
Since your last posting I have checked through my data and have found four other children for Alexander Blue & Margaret Morrison Black
ALEXANDER BLUE b.17 April 1912 Campbeltown
ARCHIBALD BLACK BLUE b. 28 March 1914 Campbeltown
THOMAS BLUE b. 15 January 1917 Campbeltown died 4 July 1940 France
CATHERINE McLachlan McLEAN BLUE b. 12 May 1920 died 23 May 1920 Campbeltown
The DUNCAN McINNES BLUE that you mentioned, do you know if he married and had any kids.
Hope you can help
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Re: Family Tree

Postby Iain » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:10 pm

Hi Joe..., hope you are well !

Are you sure about these 4 names ? Unless I overlooked something, I found nothing in Ancestry related to them...,just Thomas and WW2.
UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
about Thomas Blue
Name: Thomas Blue
Given Initials: T
Rank: Bombardier
Death Date: 4 Jul 1940
Number: 825500
Birth Place: Argyll
Residence: Argyll
Regiment at Enlistment: Royal Artillery
Branch at Enlistment: Royal Artillery
Theatre of War: France and Belgium Campaign, 1939/40
Regiment at Death: Royal Artillery
Branch at Death: Royal Artillery

He’s also mentioned here:
http://www.cwgc.org/
http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cem ... N,%20ROUEN

As for Duncan...

Duncan McInnes Blue
Birth 16 November 1921 in Chiskan, Campletown, Argyll
Death June 1995 in Washington, Tyne and Wear
Wife PRIVATE.
Married... 1942 in Birtley, Co. Durham
Children: No mention.

Good luck..., Iain.

PS Have you tried Ralston to research the names. They'll also send you images of the headstones for free and you can often discover family burried with them. http://www.ralstongenealogy.com/personquery4.php
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Re: Family Tree

Postby JOEMAC » Fri Aug 09, 2013 6:09 am

Hi Ian,
You are correct with the details for Thomas Blue.
Here are the details for the others.
ALEXANDER BLUE b.17 April 1912,28 Shore St.Campbeltown [Ref:-1912-507 Campbeltown-68]
He married Agnes McFadyen Sinclair on 9 Sept. 1938 in Campbeltown [Ref :- 1938-507 Campbeltown-29]
One child that I know of ALEXANDER BLUE.

ARCHIBALD BLACK BLUE b.28 March 1914,28 Shore Strett,Campbeltown [Ref:- 1914-507 Campbeltown-60]
He married Janet McFadyen Campbell on 2 Jan.1937 in Campbeltown. [Ref:- 1937-507 Campbeltown-2]
ARCHIBALD died on 5 Jan. 1999 at Lochgilphead [Ref :- 1999-536 Campbeltown-3]
They had two kids that I know of, Jean & Alexander

CATHERINE McLachlan McLEAN BLUE b. 12 May 1920,35 Glebe Street,Campbeltown [Ref:- 1920-507 Campbeltown-114]
She died on 23 May 1920 at home aged 11 days [Ref:- 1920-507 Campbeltown-64]

Thank`s for the additional marriage details for DUNCAN McINNES BLUE.
Yes I have used Ralston Genealogy in the past but it has been a few years now.I must look for some more deaths to search their site for.
Cheers for now,
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Re: Family Tree

Postby Shona » Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:29 pm

JOEMAC wrote:Thank`s Ian, i have had two heart attacks and had three stents inserted but something went wrong on Saturday so they had to get me in and sort it out. It is ok for now.
When I replied to your previous posting I forgot to say that I am not on Ancestry.
Thank`s again for your interest in my family research and thank`s for your good wishes.
Cheers,
Joe McMillan



Sorry to hear about your health issues, Joe - look after yourself.
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Re: Family Tree

Postby JOEMAC » Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:00 am

Thank`s Shona,
Your best wishes are much appreciated. I see my cardiologist on Thursday to see what they want to do next.
Bye for now,
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Re: Family Tree

Postby thomastpants » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:44 pm

sorry this is so lengthy. it's just the info i have saved. i have 2 main goals at this time:
1) i was raised being told the the mac'illeghuirms were a sept of the stewarts or at least had some connection. trying to sort that out.
2) to get as much information on Angus W. BLUE[/color] (b.1894) in montgomery alabama

of course, i would like to put together a succint geneaology going back to scotland. being a.d.d., i struggle often with these forums, so please be patient with me. :)

"The name Blue appears to have come into being in Argyll as an English-language equivalent for a Gaelic name which was thought to stand for Mac'illeghuirm, "Son of the blue-eyed lad"; the lad in question being assumed to have been a MacMillan because of the name of Blue's long association with the clan. The fact however that there's no traditional tale about such a blue-eyed MacMillan - as there is about the Brown-haired clansman from whom the sept of Brown are said to derive - suggests that a more recent interpretation of the name may well be correct.
The alternative explanation of the original Gaelic name is that it stands for Mac Ghille-Ghuirman, "Son of the Servant or Devotee of St. Gorman".** In the light of the MacMillans' medieval connections with other saintly cults this does look more likely. As such it's a name that appears in many parts of Scotland as well as in Argyll, where the "translation" to Blue became popular in the mid-18th century - a process paralleled with many other difficult Gaelic names (see in particular the MacMillan septs of Bell and MacGill)."

*i looked up st. gorman - seems he was a missionary in denmark in 932, but it doesn't say where he was a missionary from. at first i thought this could be where the scottish anderson connection came in, but in denmark it was more than likely the andersen spelling. but when you're going back that far, nothing is trustworthy :lol: there was a st. o'gorman from ireland, but i don't think it's the same one. could gorman be a spin from ghuirm i wonder.
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Sent to me by william blue in seattle,wa:

S4.5.5.3.3 Albert Wimbish BLUE (b.ca1855), m. Irene _____ (b.1869). He was born in AL and she in OH. They were living in Montgomery, Montgomery Co. AL in 1900.
S4.5.5.3.3.1 Angus W. BLUE (b.1894).
S4.5.5.3.3.2 Allie L. BLUE (b.1896).
S4.5.5.3.3.3 Jeretta E. BLUE (b.1898).
(there are some errors above - there was a eugenia, myriam, albert winston. annie laurie. don't know who allie is - my notation)

Albert’s parents’ family:
S4.5.5.3 Matthew Powers BLUE (1824-1884), m.1850 Jane E. WIMBISH. He was born in AL and she in GA. They were married in Montgomery Co. AL. They lived in Montgomery AL in 1860 and 1880. He assisted his father at the Post Office in Montgomery, and became a newspaper editor . He was the author of the first Carolina Blue history.
S4.5.5.3.1* Neil Wimbish BLUE (b.ca1852), m.1882 Eudora M. RICE (b.1862).
S4.5.5.3.2 Matthew BLUE (b.ca1854). Listed in 1860 census (B112). Probably died young.
S4.5.5.3.3* Albert Wimbish BLUE (b.ca1855), m. Irene _____ (b.1869).
S4.5.5.3.4 Sanford BLUE (b.ca1858). Not in C1 or C28, but is listed in 1860 census (B112).
S4.5.5.3.5 Rufus Wimbish BLUE (b.1859).
S4.5.5.3.6* Chilton Wimbish BLUE (1860-1932), m.1890 Rowena E. DEVORE (b.1869).
S4.5.5.3.7* Matthew Wimbish BLUE (1870-1951), m. Nellie WHITE.
S4.5.5.3.8 Beulah Winona BLUE, died in infancy.

His grandparents:
S4.5.5 Neil BLUE (1793-1877), m.1818 Eliza POWERS (1796-1854). He was born at his father’s home by the “Goose Pond”, within two miles of Mont Pelier post office in Richmond Co. NC. They were married near St. Paul, Robeson Co. NC. She was a daughter of Mathew and Olive (REAGAN) POWERS. Neil was a school teacher in his early years. They removed to Montgomery AL in 1819. He became city treasurer, postmaster and alderman. In 1849 they moved to Bastrop Co. TX, where they were living in 1850, but they returned to Montgomery in 1854. He was living there in 1860. He died at Montgomery.
S4.5.5.1* Harriet Amanda BLUE (1820-1875), m. _____ FORT.
S4.5.5.2* Oliver Rufus BLUE (1822-1893), m.1848 Ann Eliza HOWARD (b.ca1827).
S4.5.5.3* Matthew Powers BLUE (1824-1884), m.1850 Jane E. WIMBISH (b.ca1832).
S4.5.5.4 John W. BLUE (b.ca1828). He was in the tin can business in Austin TX, then returned to Montgomery AL.
S4.5.5.5 Albert W. BLUE (ca1831-1858), m. Irene CHAMBERS.
S4.5.5.6 Robert Donovan Smith BLUE, died in infancy.
S4.5.5.7* Olivia Susan BLUE (b.ca1835), m. John N. BROWDER (b.ca1834).
S4.5.5.8* Eugenia Caroline “Nellie” BLUE (1837-1896), m. Milo BARRETT (1829-1888).
S4.5.5.9 Ellen Frances BLUE (b.1839), m.1870 Timothy I. JONES.

His great grandparents:
S4.5 Dugald BLUE (1753-1836), m1.1783 Mary McLAUGHLIN (1756-1808), m2. Mary McLAURIN. He was born in Cumberland Co. NC and in 1774 moved to Richmond Co. NC, where he married his first wife. She was a daughter of Duncan and Margaret (RAY) McLAUGHLIN of North Knapdale, Scotland, and came to America from Greenock, Scotland in 1767. Dugald moved to Montgomery AL ca1819 and he died there.
First marriage:
S4.5.1 Angus BLUE (1785-1837). Never married. Died in E. Feliciana Parish LA.
S4.5.2 Catherine BLUE (1787-1838). Never married. Died near Union Church, Jefferson Co. MS.
S4.5.3 John BLUE (1789-1811). Never married. Died near Fordsville, Marion Co. MS.
S4.5.4* Daniel BLUE (b.1791), m.1814 Mary RILEY (b.ca1794). He went to Lexington, Holmes Co. MS.
S4.5.5* Neil BLUE (1793-1877), m.1818 Eliza POWERS (1796-1854).
S4.5.6 Sarah BLUE (1796-1838). Never married. Died near Grand Gulf, Claiborne Co. MS.
S4.5.7* Duncan BLUE (b.1800), m.1829 Mahala ALLEN (b.ca1813).
S4.5.8* Malcolm BLUE (1803-1871), m.1837 Mary Ann Fay SPENCER (b.ca1821).
Second marriage:
S4.5.9 Dugald BLUE (b.1811).
S4.5.10 James BLUE (b.1813).
S4.5.11 Mary BLUE, died young.
S4.5.12* John Andrew BLUE (1818-1900), m. Margaret CAMERON (1811-1895).
S4.5.13 Effie BLUE (1824).

The immigrant:
S4. Malcolm BLUE (1700-1766), m. Marian/Sarah SMITH (ca1710-1812). He was a native of Cantyre, Argyllshire, Scotland, and emigrated from North Knapdale, Argyllshire, in the year 1748. He brought with him his wife (named both Mary and Sarah in C1, Sarah in C29 and C31) and their three eldest sons. They sailed from Greenock, Scotland, landed at Wilmington NC, and continued up the Cape Fear River. It has been said that he came with Neill McNEILL’s colony, but Neill came in 1735, 13 years before the arrival of Malcolm. Malcolm did come with the swarm of refugees that fled from the Hanoverian persecution that followed the “Rising of the ‘45”, when Prince Charles Edward’s hopes were crushed at the Battle of Culloden in April 1746. It is possible that he had contact with the NcNeill Colony, but in 1748 he purchased land at Long Street Church, about 12 miles northwest of the present town of Fayetteville, Cumberland Co. NC, and built up a farm where he lived and died. This farm is still owned by his descendants (1981) and bears his name. One source indicates that Malcolm had several brothers and sisters, among whom was John BLUE who came to America from Scotland in 1755 with the forces of General BRADDOCK. Malcolm left a will naming “my oldest son John” and “my two eldest sons John and Duncan”, and four “youngest children”. In the following list of children, the inclusion of Daniel and James is questionable. In the latter part of her life, Marian went to Richmond Co. NC and lived with her children. She is buried in her son John’s cemetery along with sons Dugald, Neill and Malcolm. It is believed (C5) that this BLUE family took no active part in the Revolutionary War, but “passively sided with the King, as nearly all the Scotch families did.”
S4.1 Daniel BLUE (b.1739). Settled in Bladen Co. NC.
S4.2* John BLUE (1740-1781), m.1769 Mary McKAY (ca1737-1832).
S4.3* Duncan BLUE (1741-1828), m1. Effie BLUE, m2.1775 Margaret GRAHAM (d.1830).
S4.4 James BLUE (b.1751).
S4.5* Dugald BLUE (1753-1836), m1.1783 Mary McLAUGHLIN (1756-1808), m2. Mary McLAURIN (b.1767).
S4.6 Neill BLUE (1755-1800). Died in Richmond Co. NC. No issue. C5 says he was b.1749.
S4.7* Malcolm BLUE (1758-1806), m. Flora McGILL.
S4.8* Sarah BLUE (1760-1832), m. Alexander WATSON (1751-1822).

Here is 1920 census. Irene is a widow and they are in Seattle.
1920 United States Federal Census about Irene I Blue
Name: Irene I Blue
Age: 50
Birth Year: abt 1870
Birthplace: Ohio
Home in 1920: Seattle, King, Washington
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
[Widow]
Father's Birthplace: Ohio
Mother's Birthplace: Ohio
Home Owned: Rent
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Household Members:
Name Age
Irene I Blue 50
Jeretta E Blue 21
Eugenia E Blue 19
Myriam W Blue 17
Albert W Blue 15
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I spent time in North Carolina and found numerous blue headstones in montgomery and aberdeen. it was quite an ethereal feeling for me
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Re: Family Tree

Postby thomastpants » Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:15 pm

hey all!

i am barely in the 20th C, don't own a cellphone and trying to figure this forum out. i originally posted a rather lengthy blue request and some data. there have been 27 replies and, unless i am reading this wrong, my post seems not to be in the mix. i am used to forums where the threads seem to be more of ongoing conversations and comments on everyone's posts/replies. i need direction :) well, i suppose that would make sense, as i need direction everywhere else in my life right now :lol:
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Re: Family Tree

Postby thomastpants » Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:16 pm

big duh, i was doing the chronology of this thread. mine is most recent, and no one has commented. disregard previous note. :)
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