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Hi all ! Happy New Year ! Better late than never..., !

This is the first time I’ve ever heard of the word “flesher” instead of butcher ! (not to be confused with flasher..., lol)


The van here belongs to my 1xG Robert McFarlane McArthur and my “cousin’s” Grandfather William McKellar McKay..., Longrow. (the woman “at the wheel” is probably Robert’s daughter Annie) In the Longrow shop, (either to the left or the right of the old Coop..., 53 Longrow) there was a Jenny McArthur behind the counter.
http://maps.google.fr/maps?q=53+Longrow ... 6,,0,-1.53

Does anyone know exactly where Jenny’s shop was ? (Bill...? !?)

Thanks in advance..., Iain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmVvZykACBU

10 seconds into the video.

First of all the clip above of Thomas Campbell was situated in Kirk Street.The link is below,and a very interesting site it is,with a whole treasure chest of old pictures of the town.

http://www.ambaile.org.uk/en/item/item_ ... m_id=17018


As to the position of McArthur's butchers,this was already explained by Emdee in a previous thread. page 4.What is now the architects.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=53+lon ... 2,,0,-4.48

Also Ian in the previous thread I wrote............

bill wrote:I was talking to my older brother Donald,and he reminded me that though it was McArthur's the butchers, it was actually George and Jenny McKay who ran it.

Which is borne out by the names on the van,McArthur & McKay.

howlsatthemoon wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmVvZykACBU

Thanks very much..., and I'll sit back and enjoy the other url later !

Bill..., many thanks. As you said, it had been talked about earlier..., I'll go back and study the post. Working for them as a 9-year old, looks like it was a McKay who was my boss..., and not a McArthur !

In fact, James McArthur b1827 was the first of the family “fleshers” (alongside his butcher father-in-law Dugald Hawthorn b1793) and ever since, there have been at least 10 in the family with shops and farms all over the place. The discovery of this image is pushing me to build a better picture but there are few family photos..., the post card idea is excellent ! And thanks for the url.

Have a nice day..., Iain.

As someone who`s not a resident, merely an occasional visitor, there are some wonderfully interesting pictures on that video. thank you.

numberplease wrote:As someone who`s not a resident, merely an occasional visitor, there are some wonderfully interesting pictures on that video. thank you.

Quite so ! I have an expert genealogist friend who used to live next door to my Grandmother (daughter of the "McArthur" van) and yesterday she found an as yet unknown photo of her 1xG, fundraising for lifeboat day. She wrote and asked them for a copy because they're all stamped !

Iain wrote:This is the first time I’ve ever heard of the word “flesher” instead of butcher !

Possibly a German connection? One German word for butcher is 'fleischer'. Just a thought.

The Incorporation of Fleshers in Glasgow --- one of the 'Trades --- see Trades House of Glasgow ----
" The Fleshers became an incorporation in 1580 to regulate the affairs of those who provided meat for the growing population of Glasgow. There were "provisions for the inspection of meat, the punishment of malpractices in connection with the selling of same "market dues of unfreemen bringing their beasts to town and provisions against the throwing out of bags, paunches and tripes upon the High Street"plus numerous other rules."

And earlier from the Trades in Edinburgh----

"The craft of the flesher is necessarily one of the oldest in the burgh but its practitioners do not appear to have been organised into a body corporate until some time in the mid fifteenth century.

The earliest Seal of Cause we know of for certain was granted to the Incorporation of Fleshers on 11 April 1488 (not 1490 as unaccountably stated by Colston). By then they already had a deacon, Richard Furde, “deykin of the fleshouris for the tyme”, from which it is clear that they already had a corporate existence and had almost certainly received their original Seal of Cause from the Town Council some time previously."

Hi to both of you and thanks. I like the German connection..., lol ! As for Bitter Ends’ fleshers..., very interesting.
Lol..., another word I had never heard before is “incorporation”! But no research needed !!

I found this interesting URL yesterday, and the trade’s well and truly mentioned in the list.
http://scotsfamily.com/occupations.htm

Have a nice week end..., Iain.