Birmingham couple jailed for starving Khyra Ishaq

[£3.73]

Or lets backdate it .... because all the words and centuries are interchangeable ...

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Catholic.

THEN THEY CAME for the Witches,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Witch.

THEN THEY CAME for the Highlanders,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Highlander.

THEN THEY CAME for the World is Round thinkers,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn't a World is Round thinker.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."


Just insert buzz word du jour into the above. Say it on the news often enough, et voila, you have a lynch mob.

[Govangirl]

Just my opinion but I doubt Pastor Niemoller had paedophiles and child murderers in mind when he wrote his words. It is about the purging of certain targeted groups and the danger of apathy.

Just again, I do not believe in capital punishment but I would like to see stricter sentences for the likes of child killers and six years doesn't do it for me.

[£3.73]

Well the reason I posted it on this thread is that for ages now, I've watched this particular sample group of society getting more opinionated and more judgemental. Why, probably because they are scared. Why are they scared. Probably because in the last few years the world has become unimaginably different. Why has it been allowed to become different? Apathy

[blueboyno1]

I would like to see how many posters on here who would turn the other cheek when confronted by the horror and pain that must have been inflicted on this child ,whos only fault was being born .How does children who rely on their parents to feed them feel when they know that their is no one there to help them. Basic instinct is to feed and ptotect your childrn .These pieces of scum did not .They should burn in hell.

[£3.73]

Blueboy ... how can I possibly disagree with that , because you are right !!!
But
Maybe you feed, protect and nurture your children, and maybe they will get drafted anyway, and sent to an ever escalating war, return horribly scarred by their experience or maybe not come back at all.
Maybe while they're there, they will get caught up in the "fog of war" and bear witness to horrendous suffering against children.

Maybe you might just be going on holiday and have to put your children through a naked body scanner, in case theyre terrorists ! High resolution naked pictures !

Where are the banner headlines about that ?

[EMDEE]

Maybe, as an alternative to capital punishment, which many people find repugnant, in addition to their jail sentence, these people who have proved that they are not even capable of looking after their own children could be sterilised. That would certainly be a deterrent against their doing it again.

In cases like this, the fecundity of those involved is very often in inverse proportion to their parenting abilities.

[Tom B]

I don't care what happens this woman - I know that we keep voting against the death penalty in this country, and I don't have a problem with that democratic decision - but every pound we now have to spend on this woman is a pound less to spend on the weakest people in society that do need (and deserve) our help.

[ionnsaigh]

but every pound we now have to spend on this woman is a pound less to spend on the weakest people in society that do need (and deserve) our help.

Yes and that includes this woman. For only god could bless her, at least according to the Christians in our beloved band.

In cases like this, the fecundity of those involved is very often in inverse proportion to their parenting abilities.

Now that is an interesting point,if that is the case,would it not suggest that we are dealing with one and the same thing ?

[Tom B]

but every pound we now have to spend on this woman is a pound less to spend on the weakest people in society that do need (and deserve) our help.

Yes and that includes this woman. For only god could bless her, at least according to the Christians in our beloved band.

If we had unlimited resources, fine allocate three people to work with her for the rest of her life and try and rehabilitate her, all the time monitoring her 24 hrs a day to ensure she doesn't commit another henious crime. But there aren't unlimited resources, and so I'd rather the 3 or more people who will now be directly employed caring for this woman spent their time more usefully, in a myriad of other ways - one might be providing for the pensioners who fought in WW2 and now get a pittance of a pension, and many of whom are abandoned by society. It is a choice and by portraying ourselves as a caring society (by trying to help her "she's a victim too") we are tacetly approving of not spending our resources (human, financial and otherwise) in other better ways

[blueboyno1]

I agree that capital punishment is barbaric ,but it is the ultimate deterrent and If most people who carry out these crimes knew that this was the punishment then they would not be so fast to commit them .The justice and penal system in this country is a pure joke . The only punishment is loss of freedom .They get three square meals their telly, sweets ,tobacco,everything they need .They sit in groups run by social workers and counsellers,most of whom has earned their degrees by study on the net and after serving a mere percentage of their sentence these people deem them cured enough to be sent back into society. where they promptly re offend .You cannot rehabilitate people in this way they must serve a punishment for their crimes and know they have been punished or they will just laugh at it .The papers are filled every day with cases of murderers,rapists ,child molesters who are released after being so called rehaillitated and within weeks have carried out the same crimes ,or in some cases worse.

[ionnsaigh]

blueboyno1,please allow me to readdress an imbalance.

.The papers are filled every day with

The justice and penal system in this country is a pure joke . The only punishment is loss of freedom .They get three square meals their telly, sweets ,tobacco,everything they need .They sit in groups run by social workers and counsellers,most of whom has earned their degrees by study on the net and after serving a mere percentage of their sentence these people deem them cured enough to be sent back into society. where they promptly re offend .

Yes that's more like it.

[petewick]

I agree that capital punishment is barbaric ,but it is the ultimate deterrent and If most people who carry out these crimes knew that this was the punishment then they would not be so fast to commit them .The justice and penal system in this country is a pure joke . The only punishment is loss of freedom .They get three square meals their telly, sweets ,tobacco,everything they need .They sit in groups run by social workers and counsellers,most of whom has earned their degrees by study on the net and after serving a mere percentage of their sentence these people deem them cured enough to be sent back into society. where they promptly re offend .You cannot rehabilitate people in this way they must serve a punishment for their crimes and know they have been punished or they will just laugh at it .The papers are filled every day with cases of murderers,rapists ,child molesters who are released after being so called rehaillitated and within weeks have carried out the same crimes ,or in some cases worse.

As I've said before, Albert Pierrepoint, the "famous" State executioner said that the death sentence was no real deterrent.

[blueboyno1]

That was easy for him to say he was not the one being hanged .If you know there is a chance of being hanged then it would surely make you think twice .

[bill]

That was easy for him to say he was not the one being hanged .If you know there is a chance of being hanged then it would surely make you think twice .

Very true blueboy.There are no serious deterrents in place.Jail sentences are way too lenient,with 50% reductions for good behaviour,only for the majority to re-offend.

[ionnsaigh]

That was easy for him to say he was not the one being hanged .If you know there is a chance of being hanged then it would surely make you think twice .

Very true blueboy.There are no serious deterrents in place.Jail sentences are way too lenient,with 50% reductions for good behaviour,only for the majority to re-offend.

Loss of freedom should be the principal deterrent. If the threat of death ever acted as a deterrent, why the question begs, did it never work in the past, not forgetting one could be hanged for stealing. Where oh where, does this common misconception of life behind bars stem from. Funny I used to hear it during the Thacher Tyranny, seems like a war cry for the small minded, petty revengeful type of folk. Don't you think ?