Was it Bill Clinton's idea..

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Was it Bill Clinton's idea..

Postby Tom B » Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:23 pm

...to match up one rich country to one poor country so that the task of helping the 'third world' became more specific and achievable- Luxembourg gets Burundi, Norway gets Congo etc? I always thought that sounded like a practical approach - East & West Germany are levelling since unifcation, why shouldn't we try the same on a global level ? - instead of the G8 "leaders" making big impractical promises at a non specific global level to invest to make poverty history and then not following through?


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2 Norway 95,062
3 Qatar 93,204
4 Switzerland 67,385
5 Denmark 62,626
6 Ireland 61,810
7 Iceland 55,462
8 United Arab Emirates 54,607
9 Sweden 52,790
10 Netherlands 52,019
11 Finland 51,989
12 Austria 50,098
13 Australia 47,400
14 Belgium 47,108
15 United States 46,859
16 France 46,016
17 Kuwait 45,920
18 Canada 45,428
19 Germany 44,660
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21 Italy 38,996
22 Singapore 38,972
23 Japan 38,559
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26 Cyprus 32,772
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— Hong Kong 30,755
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29 Israel 28,365
30 Bahrain 27,248
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37 Saudi Arabia 19,345
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41 Estonia 17,299
42 China, Republic of (Taiwan) 17,040
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45 Hungary 15,542
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48 Antigua and Barbuda 14,929
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52 Russia 11,807
53 Venezuela 11,388
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58 Seychelles 10,112
59 Uruguay 10,082
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61 Romania 9,292
62 Kazakhstan 8,502
63 Argentina 8,214
64 Brazil 8,197
65 Malaysia 8,141
66 Lebanon 7,617
67 Botswana 7,554
68 Mauritius 6,872
69 Bulgaria 6,857
70 Panama 6,784
71 Serbia 6,782
72 Costa Rica 6,580
73 Belarus 6,234
74 Saint Lucia 6,033
75 Grenada 6,006
76 South Africa 5,693
77 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 5,615
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79 Azerbaijan 5,349
80 Jamaica 5,335
81 Dominican Republic 5,122
82 Dominica 5,082
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84 Angola 4,961
85 Iran 4,732
86 Macedonia, Republic of 4,657
87 Bosnia and Herzegovina 4,625
88 Algeria 4,588
89 Peru 4,453
90 Belize 4,310
91 Namibia 4,135
92 Thailand 4,115
93 Fiji 4,095
94 Albania 4,074
95 Ukraine 3,920
96 Tunisia 3,907
97 Turkmenistan 3,863
98 El Salvador 3,824
99 Ecuador 3,776
100 Maldives 3,649
101 Cape Verde 3,422
102 Jordan 3,421
103 Armenia 3,361
104 China, People's Republic of 3,315
105 Iraq 2,989
106 Congo, Republic of the 2,952
107 Georgia 2,925
108 Guatemala 2,848
109 Samoa 2,798
110 Swaziland 2,781
111 Syria 2,757
112 Morocco 2,748
113 Paraguay 2,601
114 Tonga 2,510
115 Vanuatu 2,442
116 Indonesia 2,246
117 Egypt 2,161
118 Bhutan 2,082
119 Mongolia 1,981
120 Sri Lanka 1,972
121 Philippines 1,866
122 Honduras 1,842
123 Moldova 1,809
124 Bolivia 1,737
125 Sudan 1,519
126 Guyana 1,480
127 Nigeria 1,451
128 Kiribati 1,372
129 Papua New Guinea 1,306
130 Djibouti 1,252
131 Cameroon 1,199
132 Yemen 1,182
133 Zambia 1,150
134 Côte d'Ivoire 1,132
135 São Tomé and Príncipe 1,101
136 Senegal 1,066
137 Pakistan 1,044
138 Mauritania 1,042
139 Vietnam 1,040
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142 India 1,016
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149 Cambodia 818
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157 Tanzania 521
158 Bangladesh 506
159 Gambia, The 496
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161 Mozambique 465
162 Rwanda 465
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165 Central African Republic 459
166 Madagascar 458
167 Uganda 453
168 Guinea 442
169 Togo 436
170 Afghanistan 429
171 Niger 391
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177 Liberia 212
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Re: Was it Bill Clinton's idea..

Postby bill » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:27 pm

NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE ON ABOUT :@

What is the significance of the number after the name of the country ?
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Re: Was it Bill Clinton's idea..

Postby Sheik Yir Erse » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:25 pm

Tom B - in principal it's a good idea, but I've matched us up and I don't think it's fair for The Gambia to bail us out of our current perilous predicament. We've created the situation, it's only fair we try and get ourselves out of it. Just think how much money we'd have it we weren't having to pay back the massive 1st World government debt we've run up. Equally, if we could just stop wasting money fighting these pointless wars we always seem to be getting involved in, that should surely help our finances. Finally, as for the corruption that is rife within our Government, there's no guarantee the aid money that The Gambia give us would reach the people who need it most, it'll probably end up in the back pockets of some corrupt politicians.

Yes, it's just not fair that the Third World should always have to bail us out! :(

Makes you think tho, that for all our "advances" we're not that different! :shock: :wink:
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Re: Was it Bill Clinton's idea..

Postby Tom B » Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:47 pm

bill wrote:
What is the significance of the number after the name of the country ?


Its the GDP per head of population lifted from google, but any measure of who has capacity to help others would do

Sheik Yir Erse wrote:Tom B - in principal it's a good idea, but I've matched us up and I don't think it's fair for The Gambia to bail us out of our current perilous predicament. We've created the situation, it's only fair we try and get ourselves out of it. Just think how much money we'd have it we weren't having to pay back the massive 1st World government debt we've run up. Equally, if we could just stop wasting money fighting these pointless wars we always seem to be getting involved in, that should surely help our finances. Finally, as for the corruption that is rife within our Government, there's no guarantee the aid money that The Gambia give us would reach the people who need it most, it'll probably end up in the back pockets of some corrupt politicians.

Yes, it's just not fair that the Third World should always have to bail us out! :(

Makes you think tho, that for all our "advances" we're not that different! :shock: :wink:


like it - good reply!
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Re: Was it Bill Clinton's idea..

Postby Hume » Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:54 pm

naw Tom it can't have been Clinton's idea as I'm sure it was first tried in 1707!

Interesting to see all those small and insignificant self governing european countries occupying the top slots in the GDP per head league though eh?
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Re: Was it Bill Clinton's idea..

Postby EMDEE » Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:02 am

Hume wrote:Interesting to see all those small and insignificant self governing european countries occupying the top slots in the GDP per head league though eh?


It is indeed.
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Re: Was it Bill Clinton's idea..

Postby Hadrians hiring! » Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:21 pm

Basically tom you are talking 'empire'.
Dont touch bargepole etc etc.
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Re: Was it Bill Clinton's idea..

Postby Tom B » Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:50 am

Hadrians hiring! wrote:Basically tom you are talking 'empire'.
Dont touch bargepole etc etc.


not intentionally, just thinking there must be a better way to help the world's starving, diseased people, dying with no clean drinking water than the one we've got at the moment. The idea of breaking the problem down in to small manageable chunks and divi'ing it up amongst those willing and able to help - sounded like one that might have a better chance of succeeding.
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Re: Was it Bill Clinton's idea..

Postby EMDEE » Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:20 pm

In order to make a real impact on the problems of the so-called "third world", and divide up the world's resources in a more equitable way there would need to be a dramatic change in the currently decadent lifestyle of the "developed world". Would everyone in the developed world be willing to accept this?
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Re: Was it Bill Clinton's idea..

Postby four eyes » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:04 pm

no,no and no again,charity begins at home.
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Re: Was it Bill Clinton's idea..

Postby Tom B » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:50 am

four eyes wrote:no,no and no again,charity begins at home.


If 'home' is Scotland, then doesn't everyone in Scotland already have access to clean water, food, education and basic healthcare? So we've done the home bit already.

If 'home' is a bit wider, then it's widely reported that there is not enough resources for all the people on the planet living the way we do. Within a decade or two (if not already) folk from all over the world will be fighting to come to the UK - it will get very messy and scarey. Isn't there a logic in helping the other 6 bn people on the planet live better in their part of the world - even if only to stop the need for them to come and change our bit (too much)?

EMDEE - I agree, few in the developed world will voluntarily give up our lifestyle, but maybe an understanding of how the rest of the world lives, through a plan something like Clinton's might help us see first-hand the need to do so? If communities here built relationships with communties in the 3rd world - perhaps by individuals working for a time in twinned communities (exchanges both ways) - there could be many benefits.

I agree that the idea will not appeal to everyone but somehow over the next 100 years we WILL have to consume less and learn to share what's available, or build very big walls and massive armies.
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