Solidarity with France

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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby gray_marian » Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:05 pm

Hume, Again thank you for your reply Hume, no offence meant but I feel that's a tad naive. Purpose built UK mosques are normally a two or three storey structure apart from the dome itself. In heavily populated districts it can be any type of empty building including unused churches. So very much doubt three coloured spotlights trained on the front would have taxed the brains of any Electrician.

DD it was deteriorating through jaywalkers inane drivel, I thought it was improving since yourself and Hume had responded
Will have to agree to disagree on your point of law abiding Muslims afraid to show unity, they didn't even attempt that
was the whole point of my initial post.

jaywalker, I don't post and expect people to agree with me, as it's important to consider views from another perspective.
Instead you were rude, patronising, but even worse you implied I was inciting a backlash, which I found despicable so think yourself lucky all I said was zip it. By all means reply if you wish I will not lower my tone any further by responding to you.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby jaywalker » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:02 am

You are still banging on about the lighting issue, the mosques are not responsible, why should they any more than the Masonic hall should.
I do believe comments such as yours can lead on to anti-Muslim actions, not neccecarilly by you of course, but it could happen.
Please read the thread again, ask yourself who is the rude one. I will accept the patronising charge but will plead self defence.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby Dr Doob » Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:57 pm

jaywalker wrote:I do believe comments such as yours can lead on to anti-Muslim actions


Firstly, I would like to acknowledge the restraint shown by GM, all she did was ask a question.

Secondly, Jaywalker you should be ashamed of yourself for that last post. Some of the points you have raised show that you are certainly intelligent enough to have answered that question, wich indicates that, maybe you are just throwing your intelect around in a deliberatly provacative manner, designed to belittle someone who doesnt agree with you.
Behaviour like that is how people become radicalised in the first place.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby jaywalker » Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:58 pm

The original question was has anyone seen a red,white and blue mosque, I answered that I had not. Question answered. I mentioned that I didn't think there was a need for lighting mosques, I don't believe it is necessary as these atrocities were not done by the Muslim community. Relatively easy to understand.
I was then treated to....
gray_marian wrote:Ahh jaywalker you're a master at stating the bleedin obvious! Of course all Muslims are not the same. duh! If you cannot answer my question then perhaps YOU should button it .
is this the restraint of which you speak?

gray Marian wrote: Why didn't a few mosques show solidarity like the rest of the world? They are living in a western culture but don't seem to acknowledge it. Now they have realised their mistake and have spoken to a tabloid which we don't all read! Wouldn't it just have been simpler to light up? By dismissing my question you imply everyone else was wrong
So these Muslims realise they have made a mistake? I didn't dismiss the question nor did I imply, or think for one minute that "everyone else" was wrong.

gray_marian wrote:DD it was deteriorating through jaywalkers inane drivel,
fair?

gray_marian wrote:but even worse you implied I was inciting a backlash,
nonsense, never thought it for one second, never implied it either. A quick Google search will show you of several incidents of British Muslims being accosted and in some cases assaulted, to the best of my knowledge none of these people were terrorists but the accosters didn't need much prompting, hence we should be careful what we say. Still stand by that.

I don't really feel I have much of an intellect to chuck about and I apologise if I have belittled anyone, never my intention and I wouldn't think I have, but behaviour such as this radicalises people, Oh come on.

Shame. I think not.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby Hume » Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:55 pm

gray_marian wrote:Hume, Again thank you for your reply Hume, no offence meant but I feel that's a tad naive. Purpose built UK mosques are normally a two or three storey structure apart from the dome itself. In heavily populated districts it can be any type of empty building including unused churches. So very much doubt three coloured spotlights trained on the front would have taxed the brains of any Electrician.


No worries at all. I know this is not the most important point of the thread and I say this again, not to try to get you to agree with me, only to make my point as clear as possible.

I don't think the management of Wembley Stadium or the CN Tower would have been heading to yell.com looking for an electrician to hook up a set of three spotlights as the facilities would already have been in place. My initial point was that might not have been the case for mosques. If you feel mosques should have been proactive and taken those steps, that's fine, but its not a fair comparison with any of the buildings that we did see lit up.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby lochend » Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:22 pm

I think GM has a point,I believe she was using the 'lighting up a mosque' figuratively. The suggestion that Masonic halls didn't or don't light up is a bit daft.The reference to mosques is relevant because, whether moderate Muslims like it or not, these jihadists claim their actions are done in the name of Islam. In these politically correct times free speech seems to be forgotten but I think it is reasonable to say that a large number of the younger generation of UK Muslims,particularly those of middle eastern origin, have sympathy with Isis or similar groups and until this is admitted and addressed we are in for a lot of trouble.Near where I live there is a large community of Chinese ethnicity. These people continue to follow their culture and customs and do not resent that the British people have the right to follow theirs. Many Muslims actually resent and despise our traditions and would even introduce their own laws if given encouragement.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby Shona » Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:58 pm

What a depressing discussion thread. Why should any mosque have to be illuminated to demonstrate disgust of the barbaric atrocities in Paris?

However, with regard to the lighting up of mosques, I recall that the illumination of buildings in solidarity with the French were secular – in London, there was the National Gallery, Wembley Stadium, Tower Bridge and the London Eye. Don’t think any churches flooded themselves in red, white and blue. I have also seen photos of San Francisco City Hall, Eiffel Tower, Sydney Opera House, Calgary Tower, CN Tower, Shanghai Pearl TV Tower, the Mexican Senate, One World Trade Building, the Brandenburg Gate, Giza Pyramid, Tokyo Skytree and Burg Khalifa lit up. All secular. The only picture I saw which of a religious structure lit up was the statute of Christ in Rio.

As I said, I find the posts in this thread depressing. Here is one:

‘In opening this thread I was hoping for an informed discussion to ensue as to why after the most recent atrocities, there appears to be a reluctance from decent, law-abiding Muslims in the UK, to voice their condemnation, or offer a show of unity, is it part of their Islamic culture’

Really? What evidence is there for reluctance? I can see none. There was outrage following the September 11th attacks in the USA and the London bombings from the Muslim community in the UK. Widely reported. More rarely reported in mainstream UK media, is Muslim condemnation of Daesh (aka, ISIS) terrorist attacks in, for example, Lebanon.

Certainly, in the main mosque in my area, the attacks were condemned and prayers were said for those who had lost their lives, prayers were said wishing those who were injured a speedy recovery and prayers were said to give families strength at this difficult time. Other mosques did the same.

The MCB on behalf of hundreds of mosques in the UK placed an advert in the Daily Telegraph and Mail Online unreservedly condemning the terrorist attacks in Paris. The placing of the advert and its wording was widely reported in other newspapers. As some seem to have missed it, here is the text of the statement:

Terror in Paris
With one voice, British Muslims condemn the Paris attacks unreservedly. We offer our condolences to the victims and their families.

The barbaric acts of Daesh (or ISIS , as they are sometimes known) have no sanction in the religion of Islam, which forbids terrorism and the targeting of innocents.

Muslims have held vigils and donated blood for the victims. It is not the terrorists who represent our faith but brave individuals like the Stade de France security guard Zouheir who risked his life to stop the attackers.

We reaffirm our commitment to the values of pluralism and tolerance as the best defence against those who seek to create division and fear.

The aim of attacks like those inflicted on Paris and other cities across the world is to turn communities against each other.

As Muslims, Britons and Europeans, we must stand together to make sure they do not succeed.


However you read those words, it is a total condemnation of the action of Daesh.

In commenting on the advert, the Secretary General of the MCB, Dr Shuja Shafi, said: “The advert aims to highlight how Muslims everywhere have consistently and without reservation spoken out against terror. It is important that our fellow Britons hear this message loudly and clearly.” Harun Khan, deputy secretary general of the MCB, said: “The reaction has been hugely positive. Others have picked up on the hard copy and have re-circulated it. People say that Muslims are not really saying enough or that they cannot hear or see what is being said, so this advert gives us some good coverage.”

There have been other touching displays of solidarity. The teenage Muslim lad in Nottingham who blindfolded himself and asked people to give him a hug to demonstrate he was no threat. Hundreds did.

Attacks on Muslims have increased. That should worry us all because that is what Daesh want – to create fear and discord. To me, it seems that the European Muslim community has replaced the European Jewish community as the ‘bogeyman’. ‘the other’, ‘the outsider’ – the community to blame.

Of course, there have been some, largely young men, who have been seduced by Daesh’s call to arms – not dissimilar to the young men who were seduced by the nationalist and loyalist paramilitaries in Northern Ireland. I hope we are sharing the knowledge we have gleaned from our experienced in Northern Ireland to help others.

As with Northern Ireland, where you can’t tell who is Protestant or Catholic simply by looking at someone, you don’t know if someone is a Muslim simply by looking at them. You can’t tell the difference between Shia and Sunni simply by looking at someone. Let’s remember Daesh want to wipe out all Shia Muslims.

Daesh are despicable. They are a threat to all who do not adhere to their perverted interpretation of Islam – Muslims included.

Lighting up some non-secular landmark structures was an interesting demonstration of solidarity with France. However, it does nothing to tackle the threat posed by Daesh. The world community needs to come together and act as one.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby WC1 » Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:23 pm

Excellent post, Shona. Well said.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby Govangirl » Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:09 pm

Oh Shona, well done, you are the voice of reason, thank you.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby lochend » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:21 am

That is a powerful and obviously heartfelt post GG. I will now make myself unpopular. I agree that the vast majority of moderate British Muslims,especially those originating from the subcontinent are unhappy with ISIS. I must say however that there does exist a considerable number of British Muslims, who, although not as extreme as the ISIS supporting minority would wish to replace the laws of this country and introduce their own Sharia laws which,to me,is an unacceptable position and should be resisted.There have been many instances where local education committees in areas with a high Muslim population have tried to introduced separate classes and rules for girls. I also understand that ALL meat sold in schools in England is killed in accordance with Muslim tradition, who agreed to that? .I am not a racist and have a friend who of Bangladeshi origin, he follows the culture and traditions of his country of origin and his faith but accepts that the laws of the land apply to him as well as the rest of us.No doubt there will be suggestions of my being a racist, but these are my views and I am just as entitled to have them as anyone else.It is the eagerness to follow political correctness that is stifling free speech in this country and one day we will wake up and realise how we have allowed our country to be changed forever in the desperation to promote multiculturalism, which is something ,I would suggest, that a very large section of the British people did not sign up for and something that many of our new citizens don't relish either!
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby lochend » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:22 am

Sorry, should read Shona.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby gray_marian » Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:50 am

Shona , to answer your question. I stated a mosque [any mosque, one little mosque] would have been sufficient as a symbolic gesture pertaining to Muslims since no other Muslim structure of consequence around the world was forthcoming. The advertisements from the papers you quote had not been published when I posted on the 17th hence the question. As to you finding the thread depressing, with respect, is neither here nor there. What's more depressing is that Dr Shuja Shafi and the rest of the Muslim Council did not instantly condemn those who murdered in their Muslim name. Instead we have to wait for five days for a newspaper report when a interview with a News Bulletin would have been immediate and more effective.... in my opinion.

Rather you didn't bring 7/11 or the IRA /UVF into the discussion Shona, those are for different threads. Having lived in Ireland during the 80/90's the vision of two British Soldiers being dragged from a black cab, stripped and beaten to death, left lying on the road surrounded by so called Christians enrages me to this day. Can give you many examples that were not shown in the UK mainland TV, equally barbaric.

Thankfully Lochend, yourself, Hume & DD understand where I am coming from on this thread. Don't concern yourself by thinking because you state your view that it may be 'unpopular' Freedom of speech is the foundation of thought and what we in the west advocate for all. Like everyone else here on this forum you are indeed entitled to voice your views, regardless of what a few may think of them.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby Shona » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:08 pm

Yes, Marian, I find the discussion thread depressing. Why should any mosque have to light itself up to demonstrate outrage about the murder of people in terrorist attacks? Secular buildings in Muslim countries were, however, illuminated, eg, the pyramids, Burg Khalifa, Burg al-Arab.

There were plenty of statements issued by the Muslim community in the UK (and Muslim countries around the world)condemning the Paris attacks on the day of the attacks and the days that followed. I certainly heard those statements on the radio and TV. Newspapers reported the condemnation, as well.

The advertisement in the Daily Telegraph and Mail Online which was widely reported in other newspapers was not the first statement of condemnation. I mentioned it and reproduced the words as the advertisement was mentioned up-thread and it appeared to me that people may not have seen the advertisement or read the words. The words in the advertisement expressed clear condemnation.

As I said, there were statements issued by the Muslim community in this country on the day of the attacks and the days that followed. So for completeness, here is the statement issued by the head of the Muslim Council of Britain on the day of the attacks in Paris:

“The attacks in Paris are horrific and abhorrent, and we condemn this violence in the strongest possible terms. My thoughts and prayers for the families of those killed and injured and for the people of France, our neighbours. This attack is being claimed by the group calling themselves ‘Islamic State’. There is nothing Islamic about such people and their actions are evil, and outside the boundaries set by our faith.This week we have once again witnessed outrageous attacks be that in Beirut earlier in the week or Paris today – there is no justification for such carnage whatsoever. We hope the remaining people responsible are brought to justice and face the full force of the law.”

The day after the attacks, the MCB released the following statement:

A Statement of Solidarity from British Muslim communities

"We are profoundly saddened by the loss of innocent lives in Paris, and our deepest condolences are with the family and friends of the victims, and the French nation. Britons of all backgrounds, of every faith, every denomination, and none, are horrified by what we have learned, and are determined that those who seek to divide our diverse and peaceful communities in Europe will not succeed. There is no justification for murder, and all British faith communities agree that those who commit acts of violence cannot do so in the name of any faith. Any such claim is illegitimate. British Muslim communities are equally appalled by the violence, and angered by those who commit abhorrent acts in the name of religion. The perpetrators do not represent us; their views are perverse and self-serving. We urge all communities in Britain and France to stand firm with compassion and solidarity. We must not let these terrorists divide us, otherwise the terrorists will win. Let us not play into their divisive narrative, and instead show them that people of all faiths and none can live peacefully, together. Like the terrorists who want to divide communities, there will be some in the days ahead who will try to use this atrocity to attack innocent people. We equally reject their intentions. It is evil people who do evil things; such acts will only increase our resolve to remain united."


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On Saturday evening, faith communities, including the Christian-Muslim Forum and the Muslim Council of Britain, organised a silent vigil at Trafalgar Square to remember those who have were killed in Paris. Attendees took with them tea lights and blue, white and red flowers.

Commenting, Dr. Shuja from the MCB said: “The attacks once again in Paris are horrific and abhorrent, and we condemn this violence in the strongest possible terms. My thoughts and prayers for the families of those killed and injured and for the people of France, our neighbours. This attack is being claimed by the group calling themselves ‘Islamic State’. There is nothing Islamic about such people and their actions are evil, and outside the boundaries set by our faith.”

I hope, Marian, that by reproducing these comments - made on the day of the barbaric attacks and the day after - shows you that the Muslim community in this country was far from silent and voiced its total rejection of the terrorist attacks in Paris.

Rather than be critical about whether or not mosques were illuminated, we should unite as one to fight the hideous threat posed by Daesh.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby gray_marian » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:25 am

Thank you Shona, for your reply. First let me say I stand corrected, as I said I would and acknowledge now that the Giza Pyramid and the Burg Khalifa where shown illuminated which I missed on TV! A blink perhaps? This of course makes my initial post redundant.

Another thank you, for printing "Terror in Paris" from the MBC. Slightly ironic your post being longer! Never the less, there for us all to see and ponder. As to the MBC's first and last statement, [three in all] that you kindly posted, on/in which News Channels/Newspapers where they published? Cannot locate those?

Addressing your final point Shona ' we should unite as one to fight the hideous threat posed by Daesh.' That goes without saying surely, where Shona in any of my posts did I state otherwise?

To lochend, thank you for seeing my first post for what it was a figure of speech, the point being lost on several others.

Donning my tin helmet a tad longer for any waifs or strays, must admit 'tis refreshing to have civil responses.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby lochend » Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:10 pm

Shona has written some well researched posts and obviously feels strongly about the subject. Where I disagree with her is her suggestion that debate on the subject is depressing. Of course it is depressing but these debates MUST be brought out into the open.Too many of the older generation such as myself feel intimidated into not airing our opinions.Too often these opinions are shouted down and and called racist.Witness Gordon Brown's dismissive remarks about the views of the elderly lady when his Mike was still switched on in the taxi! I have spent most of my 70+ plus years proud of the fact that I live in a country that allows me to say and write almost anything I wish, obviously limited by the laws of libel and slander.This seems to have changed.Witness the understandable outpourings of compassion toward the masses of refugees after the appalling images of the little boy who drowned. At this sensitive moment others were questioning Angela Merkel's, quickly retracted, offer to take a million refugees a year into Germany and asking how many of these migrants were Jihadists returning to Europe under false passports with bloody intentions.These suggestions were howled down but have subsequently proved, unfortunately,to have been prophetic.Gray Marian,keep asking the questions and I'll keep taking the tablets!
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