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Solidarity with France

Postby gray_marian » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:03 am

We are being shown pictures from all round the world of buildings lit up in the French colours as a show of solidarity with France after the attack on Paris. " Anyone spotted a Red White and Blue Mosque yet?
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby jaywalker » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:19 am

Behave yourself
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby gray_marian » Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:36 am

And you are? :lol:
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby petewick » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:07 pm

Not really in good taste since there has been idiotic attacks in mosques in this country......
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby gray_marian » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:51 pm

In opening this thread I was hoping for an informed discussion to ensue as to why after the most recent atrocities there appears to be a reluctance from decent law abiding Muslims in the UK, to voice their condemnation, or offer a show of unity, is it part of their Islamic culture? Instead there is withering retort from jaywalker and petewick suggests it's distasteful to ask because some morons have attacked a mosque! It appears to be free speech for some!
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby jaywalker » Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:08 pm

A withering retort, my you are a sensitive soul.
You asked if any mosques were lit up in red, white and blue, I never seen any, nor Westminster Abbey or the Vatican or indeed any synagogues. I believe the British Muslim Council took out an ad in the Daily Mail today condemning the attacks although most people would think it unnecessary.
We have free speech in this country for all, but it comes with a responsibility not to stir up people against their neighbours.
I don't know many Muslims but the ones I have met are very much like everyone else I know, I am sure nearly all are horrified at what happened in France.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby gray_marian » Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:56 pm

You seem to have taken it upon yourself jaywalker to speak on behalf of 'most people' and the Muslim community in
general, whilst avoiding the question I asked of Islamic culture! Now you imply that my asking the question itself could incite violence, what an accusation, and you are deliberately suppressing free speech by stating it.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby jaywalker » Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:10 pm

Nowhere did I speak for others and certainly not the Muslims, as I said I don't know many and know very little of their culture. I do know that people are pretty much the same all over, certainly the ones I have met on my travels are not too different from people I know. You said in your opening post that you hadn't seen a red, white and blue mosque indicating you thought ordinary Muslims didn't care. I mentioned their leaders had taken out an ad in a national paper, what more would you like from them.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby gray_marian » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:07 am

Ahh jaywalker you're a master at stating the bleedin obvious! Of course all Muslims are not the same. duh! If you cannot answer my question then perhaps YOU should button it instead.

#8 'Nowhere did I speak for others and certainly not the Muslims'..... you did.
#6 'although most people' .........

Why didn't a few mosques show solidarity like the rest of the world? They are living in a western culture but don't seem to acknowledge it. Now they have realised their mistake and have spoken to a tabloid which we don't all read! Wouldn't it just have been simpler to light up? By dismissing my question you imply everyone else who showed respect is wrong...

When any of us have worked/lived/visited a Muslim country you abide by their rules you have to, no option! Fair enough.Yet we in the western world it appears have to fall in with their mode of thinking. Don't know where you live jaywalker but here on the mainland we have to be ever vigilant yet again in our daily lives especially if we have to commute by bus, tube or plane, every crowded place you have to be aware. When you do question a radicalised Muslim act the PC brigade start accusing all sorts when all that's required is an informed answer in the hope of understanding. I, like all my family and friends have brought our children up [now adults] to respect each others views and to have an open mind and in turn expect to be treated in a similar fashion. This is done by knowing their friends, interacting with them, socialising with them etc, that way you are aware of their goals and what they are about. When the Muslim youngsters 15 and upwards take off and flee to wherever, the parents plead ignorance, is it any wonder confusion and distrust appears? Instead of speaking out against those who radicalise/brain wash their children, the silence is deafening. I have personally found the Muslim families who attended the same school as my own were delightful hard working people with strong principled ethics. They integrated well with the local community and have been a delight to know. So I am not inferring as you insinuate that all Muslims are the same, your apathetic response does you no favours. If you deign not to respond in an intelligent manner, then perhaps YOU should consider zipping it as I stated at the beginning.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby Dr Doob » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:56 am

G M, I think that the reason for Muslims' not putting up pictures of Mosques, is because it is against their beliefs. Muslims are forbidden to publish/draw anything connected with Islam and the situation we are now in, is because firstly the Danes' & then the French did.
I really don't think that there is anything more to it than that.

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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby Hume » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:09 pm

I was going to say something similar - could it not just be that the buildings that were lit up, were so because it was easy to do / they have that capacity. The SSE Hydro seems to be a different colour every night for instance, being a modern structure with that capability.

Maybe mosques don't go in for bright lights generally and therefore it is not possible to project red white and blue lights by simply flipping a switch?
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby gray_marian » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:32 pm

Thank you Dr Doob & Hume I appreciate your response. No pictures are required Dr Doob just lighting and again Hume the Eiffel Tower is pretty old so don't think structure would be a problem in this day and age however stand to be corrected on that as I'm certainly no electrical boffin. Thanks again
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby jaywalker » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:18 pm

Calm down dear, you will do yourself a mischief.
My point is, why expect the Muslim church/faith to apologise or comment on the actions of a small sect of their number.
ISIS etc are not representive of Islam.
Did you expect the Pope to fly Union flags after each IRA atrocity?
Should American Church leaders keep apologising for the KKK?
At the risk of speaking for everyone again, I am quite sure most Muslims would deplore these atrocities, but I am not sure what they need to do to convince us of this.
P.S. Quite ironic you champion free speech but then tell me to button it. :roll:
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby Hume » Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:04 pm

I did mention modern structures, but my point was more that maybe the buildings that were lit up were already able to do so, without much effort. Maybe mosques are not in the habit of lighting up for any event, therefore could not do so immediately.
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Re: Solidarity with France

Postby Dr Doob » Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:40 pm

gray_marian wrote:In opening this thread I was hoping for an informed discussion to ensue as to why after the most recent atrocities there appears to be a reluctance from decent law abiding Muslims in the UK, to voice their condemnation, or offer a show of unity, is it part of their Islamic culture? Instead there is withering retort from jaywalker and petewick suggests it's distasteful to ask because some morons have attacked a mosque! It appears to be free speech for some!


Do you see how quickly this thread is deteriorating, this is why there is a "reluctance from decent law abiding Muslims in the UK, to voice their condemnation, or offer a show of unity". They are damned if they do..................

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