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Re: Civil Unrest

Postby ionnsaigh » Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:19 am

four eyes wrote: Revolution is coming, it's only a matter of time, don't laugh it only needs a Nationalist party led by someone with a bit of credibility. The country is fed up with self-serving politicians, the time for change is here. Pressure is building on those in power are too blind to see it, I'd vote for anyone as long as it wasn't one of the three major parties.


I agree largely with the sentiment, however the act of voting isn't necessarily revolutionary. Revolution requires a number of conditions, voting and gaining a large majority would legitimize ( public opinion ) as to the rights and wrongs of the struggle.
Vote - vote for what ? Scottish independence, this would at least, offer a common unified thread to the people of Scotland. Personally I'm sick to death of Westminster, the Met,London,NOW, phone tapping, the Royals, the Olympics.
Can't bloody stand any of it....... and I'm no racist. So yes I would favour a nationalistic approach, however revolution is best obtained by forming a movement, as opposed to voting for a political party. When the Scottish movement for independence decided to form the Scottish National Party, that movement lost any advantage, it literally tied one hand behind it's back, by accepting the constitutional make up. The SNP are largely bourgeois, they fail to take into account class division, and it's removal from our shores and borders. I would much prefer a Socialist British alternative, than a independent Scotland, that failed to address the unequal distribution of wealth...... however this scenario is unlikely to happen. Anyway there is nothing sinister or wrong - regarding a small country - wishing to be recognised, and standing on it's own feet.
Revolution requires the individual to do nothing, other than except the range of consequences, their action may provoke. If you do nothing, this is essentially a peaceful act, the promise of peace brings the revolutionary vanguard and the liberal middle class, into the equation. The revolution takes place initially - within one's own head, by saying no, no to the authority ( a peaceful act )
The people of Scotland require a movement that addresses both, the inequality that plagues our country and our people,
and the desire for self determination ( human right )
In a Democracy people have the right to protest, however lets face it - you can have protests that do little in the way of impact to the authority ( The Grand Old Duke Of York he had ten thousand men, marched them up to the top of the hill, and marched them down again ) or you can adopt the revolutionary tactic of civil disobedience, by saying no.
Hit them where it hurts..... Oh aye it will hurt those that control the finances of Scotland through Westminster, and it would be fair to say it will hurt those that say no, and for that matter those that say yes. Public services would cease,
during this period - however we could quickly bring about the conditions for independence. If and it's a big if we refused to pay our Council Tax. :roll:
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Re: Civil Unrest

Postby ionnsaigh » Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:23 am

Drove into the local petrol station last week in Glasgow, they had a notice at every pump.
( Due to restrictions no filling of any containers - petrol cans ) It seems that the authorities have measures in place to restrict the flow of fuel. ( Molotov cocktails )
Strange considering the disturbances took place in a foreign country.
One other thing that puzzles - Newcastle seems to have been left unscathed, it had me looking at ( amongst other things ) The weather on these days......... lines of latitude/longitude, and poverty.

I see Strathclyde is about to lose it's Chief Constable....... due to his experience in tackling gang culture.
I can't help thinking, that it didn't take them long to drag poor auld Glasgow - into the equation. :cry:
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Re: Civil Unrest

Postby Hume » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:10 am

four eyes wrote:the problems were not caused by poor people but by rich bankers.


Surely the conditions that resulted in the riots down south have been cultivated for many years, a generation at least? The banking crisis may have been the trigger for recent public spending cuts but the problems did not begin there.

Some great analysis from EMDEE, I agree with a lot of that.
Should Scotland be an Independent country?

Yes, I believe Scotland is a country and should therefore govern itself.
No, Scotland is not a country it is simply part of the UK and should therefore be governed from London.
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Re: Civil Unrest

Postby Stebyr » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:01 pm

Social housing tenants face a double penalty as the action of their children could cause the whole family to be evicted whereas this will not happen to the millionaire family whose daughter was convicted.
Over the next few years as the welfare reforms ( cuts ) take effect thousands will lose a lot of money and that could lead to bigger riots. The government know this and that is why the penalties are so harsh for social housing tenants as these are the ones that will be affected most, scare them now so when they want to object in a couple of years they will be too scared or so the government hopes. It is fine for polititions to say that they should get jobs rather than claim benefits but todays figures show that unemployment is rising so where are these jobs?
If as the polititions are saying that the punishment should fit the crime why is it that all those MP;s who stole money from you and me not in prison.
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Re: Civil Unrest

Postby four eyes » Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:24 pm

exactly,hang them everyone,i volunteer to lead the citizens committee. The sooner we begin the better off we will be. Power comes from the barrel of a gun,and no change will come about without bloodshed. They wont give up their gains easily but once we start the executions the rest will flee abroad. We dont need them to run the country,now wheres my pitchfork?
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Re: Civil Unrest

Postby ionnsaigh » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:07 pm

Wat Tyler returns :wink:
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