Two Weeks in Kintyre

[Christian]

Family of mine lives in England, and houses are very expensive there. For a normal 3 bedroom house here(Beek en Donk) you get a one bedroom house there!

[Bobbie En Tejas]

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[Ship called Dignity]

Seems to be the way of thread these days going off topic...

...They never let reality get in the way of a good bit of bigotry.

Hoopoe - what bigotry would that be?

[Ranald]

[Don't worry about them though, I'd like to think that there aren't as many of that sort around as there used to be.

"that sort" Do you mean locals who care about who comes to the area or folk who just post to give their views?

Do you know Kevin. What sort is he?

jeanette

I mean the sort who don't want anyone moving here at all because they believe everyone from outside Kintyre isn't as good as them.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Seems to be the way of thread these days going off topic...

...They never let reality get in the way of a good bit of bigotry.

Hoopoe - what bigotry would that be?

to think this all started with people being friendly and asking questions, discussing the friendliness of the area..

[Ship called Dignity]

Seems to be the way of thread these days going off topic...

...They never let reality get in the way of a good bit of bigotry.

Hoopoe - what bigotry would that be?

to think this all started with people being friendly and asking questions, discussing the friendliness of the area..

Aye, when first posted it was in Speakers Corner and I thought it should be under Local News and Issues as it was such a warm posting. Moved it into General Chit Chat but might be back to Speakers Corner soon!

[Hoopoe]

Seems to be the way of thread these days going off topic...

...They never let reality get in the way of a good bit of bigotry.

what bigotry would that be?

yeah, the sort that moan about the shops not being open and then in the next breath bitch aboot indians moving into the toon and opening shops.

[ionnsaigh]

(I wonder if the SNP could be more specific on there plans for the area if they happen to get in)

The specific plans are not for the SNP Mick, but the local community. Its our community, not a political parties. If you take a look back through the threads in this forum you'll find most of the issues.

Over the last 24 months I feel that this community has turned a corner in that, rather than politely expecting civil servants & politicians to do things for us, we are starting to demand the way we want things to happen. The Sewerage Taskforce, the ferry, Opportunity Kintyre - all community initiatives challenging the perceived wisdom of expert advice.

My point entirely - any real change comes directly from the rank and file of the People. An Oak tree is grown from seed - not the branch. The People of any Community have the power to change conditions in a positive manner. However the perception of this power is continually diluted, by those who wish to retain the Status Quo. The later must include all in the Scottish Parliament who amongst other things swear allegiance to the Monarchy and lip service to the Capitalists that run this Country, applying a system that creates enormous amounts of wealth for them- and little for us. Take a look at the latest rent arrears in Argyle - This is due to the Poverty of your People- the People of Kintyre. This fact contradicts my understanding of Scottish identity and Culture- if there's one of us poor then we are all poor. Capitalism takes no heed of cultural and historic collective identities that make us - who and what we are. This only serves to create antagonistic contradictions that have polluted and divided our dear People. "We are starting to demand the way we want things to happen" Well Christ its taken long enough- What has become of us the Celtic People, politicians- the vote for me crowd- who continually tell the People that violence is wrong- yet they continue to send our youth to kill or be killed in the illegal and immoral wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Oh aye we can fight when they want us too, but can we fight when we want too?. The People of Kintyre have within their power the means to create change. The political system only serves to muck the water. By encouraging People to use the ballot box -you perhaps inadvertently- disarm and therefore reduce this power to One meaningless cross every Five long years- if that is the Democracy that's on offer then it is a sham- a mere inferior type of control that has little or nothing to do with the true nature of Common Rule. If the SNP took responsibility for the removal of this scourge that blights our People our land and history- then it would be the first and foremost item on their agenda- alas it isn't- why - The answer may lie in the Bourgeois leadership of the Party, that fail to hear the cries of the poor. How many poor People are represented by their own poor People in Scotland funny I cant think of One - this serves only to betray the false nature of representation. Our time will come.
Mick Donoghue.

[John S]

So what would you do with Scotland’s capitalist, monarchist bourgeois come the revolution comrade Mick? I'd suggest that what you are peddling is a sham. Where in the world past or present would you compare your ideal Scottish peoples republic too? Give us a good example?

[John S]

And another thing. Your stay in the White Hart Crest Hotel. I would have thought a man of your impeccable socialist credentials would have baulked at paying to the shareholders of a multinational empire like Intercontinental hotels group. On Thursday 2 March 2006 the company announced its intention to return £500 million to Shareholders by way of a Special Dividend.

What was wrong with the Kintyre wee wumans b&b? Or are you saving your morals for after the revolution.

[ionnsaigh]

So what would you do with Scotland’s capitalist, monarchist bourgeois come the revolution comrade Mick? I'd suggest that what you are peddling is a sham. Where in the world past or present would you compare your ideal Scottish peoples republic too? Give us a good example?

I would do away with it- simple as that. Tom Paine " kill the king- leave the Man" If you love Scotland then you must love its People, you must attempt to recognise the true nature of poverty - which is difficult if you've never experienced it. An artist may be able to paint an apple- however if they have never touched taste or smelled the apple in essence they don't really know the apple. If to remove Poverty from your People is a sham- then I plead guilty. The existence of a Monarchy in a Democracy is contradictory in terms of Democratic principles. The only true type of Democracy would be a Republic based on the equal distribution of wealth. Now that seems fair to me. It is not in the interest to the development of all Peoples in all lands to continue with a system that divides and reduces, and ultimately encourages a them against us mentality in order to survive.
Why should we the Scottish People be content - when a third of us have little in the way of life, other than daily struggle in a bleak housing scheme in Edinburgh or Glasgow or for that matter Campbeltown. People will do everything they Humanly can to hide Poverty as they see it as some form of personal failing. As far as comparing past and present, with other countries this is
entirely relative to Scotland- then I would compare my Workers Republic Scotland to the savagery of Poverty that currently inflicts our dear People.

[Bruce]

John S, you gotta also wonder why he turns every conversation he is part of into a political discussion... I know this is General Chit Chat, but his stuff is really Old Hat! Why people give him the time of day (and possibly welcome him into the area with open arms!) beats me!

[ionnsaigh]

And another thing. Your stay in the White Hart Crest Hotel. I would have thought a man of your impeccable socialist credentials would have baulked at paying to the shareholders of a multinational empire like Intercontinental hotels group. On Thursday 2 March 2006 the company announced its intention to return £500 million to Shareholders by way of a Special Dividend.

What was wrong with the Kintyre wee wumans b&b? Or are you saving your morals for after the revolution.

Sorry you must have picked me up wrong. We spent our time camping, we spent our time in the Public Bar socialising
You quote one of the many Multinational Companies, who ultimately hold the People of Scotland at economic ransom.

[ionnsaigh]

John S, you gotta also wonder why he turns every conversation he is part of into a political discussion... I know this is General Chit Chat, but his stuff is really Old Hat! Why people give him the time of day (and possibly welcome him into the area with open arms!) beats me!

Well Bruce what can I say other than you have the distinction of posting the first negative post on this subject- see third post.
So you see the Poverty o the People as being old hat - what happened to love your neighbour?

[John S]

John S, you gotta also wonder why he turns every conversation he is part of into a political discussion... I know this is General Chit Chat, but his stuff is really Old Hat! Why people give him the time of day (and possibly welcome him into the area with open arms!) beats me!

Bruce, I believe that if we don't challenge extreme views we could live to regret it. This kind of rhetoric exploits those desperate for change; right wing, left wing, fascist, and racists all do it. How many times have wars been fought and people die in order to advance an ideology.