Kintyre Yes for Independence Campaign

[muppetanimal]

.... so much decided at Holyrood that better reflects our own national needs and circumstances, why don't we just go the whole hog?

This does not sound like the WC1 of old. Reminds me of a story about a guy called Saul of Tarsus that I am sure WC1 is aware of, and it's nice to see peoples opinion change after they have seen the light.

[WC1]

In the words of the late John Betjeman:-

"God grant, before we die, we all
might see the light, as did St Paul"

Not bad for an Englishman!

[gizmo]

Sometimes if you see the light, walking towards it is stupid.

[Govangirl]

WC1, I would guess that the reason you hear that phrase consistently is because many laws are different in England and Wales and so when they are discussing, say, education or the judicial system they have to make that distinction. After all, when they are talking about the price of prescriptions or university education or homes for the aged then a distinction truly does need to be made!

[Shona]

Still no posts about the anomaly created by using the local government franchise should there be a Yes vote. What exactly will be the status of former residents of Scotland?

[muppetanimal]

Still no posts about the anomaly created by using the local government franchise should there be a Yes vote. What exactly will be the status of former residents of Scotland?

Who will qualify for
citizenship of Scotland
should/when it
becomes independent?

(Written response to the National Conversation, August 2007)

8.22 Citizenship in an independent Scotland will be based upon an inclusive model. Many people in Scotland have ties to the rest of the United Kingdom, including familial, social and economic connections. An independent Scotland could recognise the complex shared history of Scotland and the United Kingdom by offering shared or dual citizenship. As a member of the European Union, Scottish citizens would have free access across Europe.

[EMDEE]

I've been following this thread with interest, but wonder why it is in "Local News and Issues".

This needs to be moved to "Current Affairs", as it is a thread that will run and run, and is patently not simply a local issue.

Might the moderators agree that this is not simply a local issue?

[Shona]

I've been following this thread with interest, but wonder why it is in "Local News and Issues".

This needs to be moved to "Current Affairs", as it is a thread that will run and run, and is patently not simply a local issue.

Might the moderators agree that this is not simply a local issue?

Good idea, Emdee.

[Ship called Dignity]

Didn't realise John Bakes is secretly a member of the Kintyre Yes for Independence Campaign after reading his letter in the Campbeltown Courier. That was cringe worthy and does more for the Yes campaign than the Better Together campaign!

[jalba]

Agree with both EMDEE and Ship

[EphemeralDeception]

Disagree, it may not be just a local issue but it is still an issue of local interest and merits local debate as well as a national one.

People really need to take a long hard look at this opportunity that has both National and local ramifications. Many things are worth a local perspective:

One issue is media bias. The BBC and to a lesser extent STV has been found to be severely biased in its approach to the referendum which effects local opinion. What about the Courier and the views of its owners?

Another is infrastructure. I hope people realise that the vast majority of their taxes going on infrastructure actually go to the south east of the UK? Also that the UK 2O year plan for improving UK infrastructure is 100% concentrated on the South East no matter if it is a Labour or Tory or coalition government? (Google it). How can local infrastructure be improved if all of the money is already gone elsewhere?
Is it because Kintyre is remote? No. eg. Anyone been to Perpignan in the Poorer SE of France? Infrastructure there is just as good as other parts of the country because they get a fair share of central investment - the roads are even better than in Germany!

How about the Lib Dem MP Alan Reid voting to go to war against Syria in your name? Could that occur as easily in Scotland as the UK.

Scotland would be the the 6th richest (i,ii) country in the world by head op population according to OECD figures (GDP per capita) if it was already independent (UK is 16th). How would or could that have influenced the local economy?
(i) Don't forget the McCrone report proving 4 decades of lies and deception from consecutive UK governments concerning Scotlands economy: only surfacing after the 30 year state secrets rule.

What would a no vote change locally? What would a yes vote change locally?

ii: Believe it or not Ireland is the 7th richest country per head in the world despite any debt.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OE ... per_capita

Sources from: http://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=558.

[muppetanimal]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 96120.html

Says it all really.

[Govangirl]

Did a wee wean in Primary School write that then?

[muppetanimal]

Did a wee wean in Primary School write that then?

Another failed attempt from someone nowhere near Govan to use attack method #1 "If you don't like the message then shoot the messenger". With a degree from the University of Manchester he is somewhat past the primary school stage.

Dominic Frisby, who he is can be checked out at http://moneyweek.com/author/dominic-frisby/
or buy the book at http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dominic-Frisby/e/B00G4A3MM8
or check out his website at http://dominicfrisby.com/

[Govangirl]

It is not an attack but surprise surprise it's back to 'you don't live here so you haven't a say' and that's fair enough. I still say the above is far too simplistic and full of 'buts' and 'what ifs'