Horse access to the beach

[argyllie]

Why penalise us horse riders .....

I'm not sure that "penalise" is the right term to use. Nobody is forcing you to own a horse. If there isn't anywhere that you fancy exercising your horse locally that you can get to, then don't keep one! I'm sad to say that I don't have everything that I would like to have.

I would like to point out that the Scottish Outdoor Access Codes states that .....

There's a lot of quoting going on from you horse owners from the Outdoor Access Codes. Even if my scenario doesn't pan out if the access is "improved" (and God forbid it did), who is going to pay for this work to be done?

[I'd rather be riding]

Some financial assistance for paths creation, waymarking, replacing gates and other measures to help facilitate public access is available through the Scottish Rural Development Programme. (And yes this is another quote! )

[MPR]

I dont have a problem with horses on the beach, however I think they should wear horse nappies.
One horse may not be much of a concern but get several, several times a day or week then you have a problem.
recent holiday to the caymans had me watching the horse riders on the beach, with all the horses, by law, to wear these things.

[argyllie]

Some financial assistance for paths creation, waymarking, replacing gates and other measures to help facilitate public access is available through the Scottish Rural Development Programme. (And yes this is another quote! )

That's a start then. Whose responsibility would it be to apply for this financial assistance?

[I'd rather be riding]

Talk about stating the obvious argyllie. I'm quite well aware of the fact that nobody is forcing me to own a horse. I, like many others choose to own a horse. It's nice to get to the beach for a change so we don't have to ride on the roads all the time. Perhaps you have issues with us being on the roads also but I could go on all day about that subject too.

This is a situation that you and I argyllie will probably have to agree to disagree on I think. It's one that I'm passionate about because I'm passionate about my wee horse and would like to enjoy probably the few years I have left with her seeing she is fast approaching 30 years young so please forgive me if I'm coming across a bit too strongly.

Oh and it's the landowners responsibility to help themselves in these situations and seek assistance.

MPR - there is hardly going to be several horses several times a day. It's not a business that wants access, it's individuals.

[argyllie]

Talk about stating the obvious argyllie. I'm quite well aware of the fact that nobody is forcing me to own a horse. I, like many others choose to own a horse.

Ah so you've read my second post now. Have you read my first one properly too? I said I like horses and its only fair they get to go on the beach with the humans and other pets such as dogs. I also have no issue with you being on the road.

Oh and it's the landowners responsibility to help themselves in these situations and seek assistance.

Oh yes, those are those put upon people I mentioned in my first post.

[LANDROVER ROGER]

Re:Horse nappies.Disposable or washable?And if disposable,who on earth is going to lug a packet of them around Tesco?

[4th gen Suthen']

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Oh yes, those are those put upon people I mentioned in my first post.

How do you mean "put upon" Argillie?

[argyllie]

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Oh yes, those are those put upon people I mentioned in my first post.

How do you mean "put upon" Argillie?

That's argyllie there 4th gen.

I seem to be having to repeat myself a lot here, but its those beleaguered and patient landowners I referred to in my first post on the subject. Have you seen the damage they have to put up with from beach users, all the time not just occasionally? Some thanks for allowing the car park to be there at all. I am not the landowner, do not represent them in any way, but I sure think I know what they will be thinking of all this nonsense about making it even easier for people to get on there and trash the place!

Yours,

A concerned and responsible member of public.

[4th gen Suthen']

got yi noo Argyllie!

[glenn]

I thought I read on the forum a while back that the private landowners / farmers only own the beach as far as the high tide mark. Does anyone know if that is correct ? Whenever I've seen horses on a beach, they tend to be near the water, which would mean they were not on the landowner's part of the beach. Just an observation.

[Lilacbabe]

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Oh yes, those are those put upon people I mentioned in my first post.

How do you mean "put upon" Argillie?

That's argyllie there 4th gen.

I seem to be having to repeat myself a lot here, but its those beleaguered and patient landowners I referred to in my first post on the subject. Have you seen the damage they have to put up with from beach users, all the time not just occasionally? Some thanks for allowing the car park to be there at all. I am not the landowner, do not represent them in any way, but I sure think I know what they will be thinking of all this nonsense about making it even easier for people to get on there and trash the place!

Yours,

A concerned and responsible member of public.

Emmm Horses trash the place ???? I take it you are on about the surfers, campers and people having picnics on the shore who leave Cans ,bottles,litter,and campfire remains ? Not horses or their owners !

When we take our horses down to the beach we do so in order to exercise them and not have a picnic . Our horses then go back in to their field or in winter their stable so it would not be us leaving the mess.

I as a true country born and bred lass ( well part country ) respect the land and think that it is disgusting that after being granted permission to camp on the beach they have the cheek to leave the place like a midden.
It is therefor the land owners choice whether or not to continue letting this go on and as far as I know nothing has been done to rectify this problem.

we have been using the beaches for some time now and do you see any evidence of the equestrian community leaving the place in a mess.

What nonsense are you talking about ? asking fo a gate to be put in for access ? Theres nothing nonsensicle about that . Motorised vehicles are NOT allowed, by law ,on the beach but it is not the first time I have seen 4by4s on the beach but no one seems to find that a problem.
They can access the beach whether there is a bridle gate there or not so really puting one in will make no difference to the way things are at the beach at the moment. The place will still get trashed by the afore mentioned people whether the horses get their own special gate or not .

[Lilacbabe]

I dont have a problem with horses on the beach, however I think they should wear horse nappies.
One horse may not be much of a concern but get several, several times a day or week then you have a problem.
recent holiday to the caymans had me watching the horse riders on the beach, with all the horses, by law, to wear these things.

Think about that statement you have just written LOL dont be so ridiculous. How much poo do you think is going to be left on the beach anyway
Do dogs wear nappies at the beach Mmmm ? NO !! do all owners pick up after their dogs Mmmm ? NO

I rest my case

[Lilacbabe]

Why penalise us horse riders .....

I'm not sure that "penalise" is the right term to use. Nobody is forcing you to own a horse. If there isn't anywhere that you fancy exercising your horse locally that you can get to, then don't keep one! I'm sad to say that I don't have everything that I would like to have.

I would like to point out that the Scottish Outdoor Access Codes states that .....

There's a lot of quoting going on from you horse owners from the Outdoor Access Codes. Even if my scenario doesn't pan out if the access is "improved" (and God forbid it did), who is going to pay for this work to be done?

Oh I cant get on the beach I really fancied riding there too !!! I Can only ride on the road at the moment well I better sell her then ??? How drolle
The thing is we can ride on the beach its just at the moment we have to go further than our back doors to access one as there is no gate at Westport thats what we are on about . This whole topic is not about can we have a gate because we would like one but there has to be one Provided for us .

Quoting has been added to show you what the Outdoor Access Code is all about as you seem to not have read it properly . If you had you would then realise the land owners must provide Horse access.
The landowners and the local authorities would have to foot the bill but I am sure that it would not cost that much as it is only a gate and perhaps a bit of fencing work .

[WC1]

It strikes me that if the legislators of the Cayman Islands (as described by MPR) made a law to require horses to wear 'nappies' (whatever they are) when being exercised on their beaches then neither they nor those who elected them thought it was ridiculous. Presumably they thought there was a big enough problem to require such a law. As for such measures not being required of dogs, perhaps the scale of the problem makes it unnecessary in their case. You only need a wee bag to pick it up.